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McCain and conservativism

Posted by Ron Coleman on February 2, 2008

Randall Hoven wrestles with the issue of how conservative McCain is as a Senator:

Senator John McCain’s lifetime rating of 82.3% from the American Conservative Union is often that he is conservative. Here is a closer look at that 82.3 rating. First, a rating of 82.3 is not really that high. It puts Senator McCain in 39th place among senators serving in 2006, the latest year for which the ACU has its ratings posted online. For that most recent year in particular, McCain scored only 65, putting him in 47th place for that year. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE), for example, scored 64 and 75, respectively, in 2006

He demonstrates that McCain is actually on the liberal side among Republicans, despite his seemingly high ACU rating, which explains of course why the media love him. He concludes thus, however:

On the other hand, Senator Clinton (D-NY) has a lifetime ACU rating of 9 and Senator Obama (D-IL) has a rating of 8.

Not much the cheer about here.

Well, here’s something a little large, and a little more significant, to not cheer about — but something that conservatives must understand if they don’t want to relegated to a fringe: The electorate is not all that conservative. We will not win the Presidency with a strong conservative candidate. You can’t deduce anything from Ronald Reagan. There was one Ronald Reagan. If another one emerges, we’ll know (some of us were not fooled).

And if you think that you (we) will “teach the nation a lesson,” a la Jimmy Carter, by not supporting the GOP candidate and letting a liberal run the country for four — or eight — years and appoint judges and commissioners, and sign legislation, and take control of the national political dialogue during that time… good luck. See you at the People’s Reeducation Center and Tax Labor Farm. We can plan the next revolution with the other zeks.

But if you want to win, and have any shot at having any of your ideas reign, and to make incremental progress in government, policy and the popular imagination — then you have to realize that politics is now. And act accordingly.

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13 Responses to “McCain and conservativism”

  1. Bob Miller said

    1. Let’s also consider Romney, who recently reprogrammed himself to be conservative. In a general election campaign, there’s no telling which way his persona would lurch, once the meticulously collected focus group data began to stream in.

    2. Ron noted that “There was one Ronald Reagan.” There was also one Jimmy Carter. Without Carter’s total, abject failure as the backdrop, there would have been no Reagan landslide in 1980 and possibly no victory either.

    3. After four years under Hillary or Barack, exactly how many pieces of our country would be left for any ideologically pure conservative to pick up?

  2. Americanbychoice said

    As Republicans we should choose our leaders democratically and ensure we are choosing real leaders. Blindly following the leader is a leftist notion. The DNC enforces these Stalinist rules in the Democrat Party. Many Democrats want to prevent rank-and-file to openly vote in Unions, etc. Republicans do not.

    Electing McCain as President will begin to destroy the GOP’s ability to win the future.

    We must elect wise leaders to continue to be the party of ideas. To remain the party of change and improve our country, we must preserve and rebuild the Grand Old Party of Ronald Reagan, not the one of Rockefeller.

    McCain is not a thinking or thoughtful Leader – he is mostly a non-thinking Follower.

    McCain has been “anointed” by many luminaries and continues his “inevitable” march aided by many whose actions are undemocratic.

    Many Republicans have been led by the nose as “useful idiots” (Lenin’s phrase describing western liberals who advanced Communism without knowing it)

    McCain is being “anointed and crowned” by the Republican establishment because they want to turn the country left to prevent Hillary or Obama to head much further left. In the end the right cannot “outleft” the left & we will become Canada or the UK.

    We should note that France & Ireland are now following Milton Friedman & Ronald Reagan and doing great.

    Meanwhile, Crist, Arnold, Rudy, Perry & the rest follow the Canadian & UK model into the failed Nanny-State. Governator Arnold’s health care plan (identical to Hillary’s just cratered in California).

    Some great Republican leaders are these “moderates” ! All the surrogates blindly follow into this brave new world.

    McCain has not acted in the interest of Republicans for at least 10 years. That is why the media calls him a maverick (i.e.: he tweaks Republican Ideals and their noses). I rest my case with the New York Times endorsement.

    McCain is nothing but Sheep in Wolf’s clothing. McCain is all bark & no bite when fighting for conservative ideas. Why is it so? Because he cannot defend, what he does not believe.

    In the all-important battle of ideas, McCain has lost to the Democrats on every consequential issue.

    McCain idea of bi-partisanship is to concede our shared values for his “maverick” image.

    As a result, the American Nation loses. All his policy making is against Republican principles:

    McCain/Feingold restricts freedom of speech. McCain and his Gang of 14, has set up for failure any future President (including himself) to appoint conservative judges. As you may have realized the Gang-of-14 agreement was only in the 109th Congress & many “moderate, aka liberal” Republicans have been (and more will be) replaced by strident Democrats.

    What a great Leader McCain turns out to be!

    Some say “we have no choice but to support our nominee”

    Why should any of us support McCain, when McCain always disregarded all rules to suit himself?

    Since he “always knows best”, McCain opposed our President & Our Party Leadership who wished to exercise the “nuclear option” allowing Bush to appoint his chosen judges, according to the Constitution. McCain opposed Alito.

    McCain was considered as VP by Kerry.

    McCain voted against Bush’s tax cuts, which saved the economy after 9/11 & he did it by embracing class warfare rhetoric. He also supports the death tax.

    McCain almost left the party to become a Democrat. He would have in the good company of Senator Jeffords, who after running as Republican he turned coats and was the reason the Republicans become the minority in the all-important Senate.

    McCain/Kennedy almost completely destroyed the rule of law by providing Amnesty in numbers that will alter this Nation forever & rewarding illegal behavior. He still employs (and lies about it) a Mexican Minister Abroad to be his “Hispanic” guy.

    McCain continues to destroy the reputation of patriot Rumsfeld & claims victory in Iraq to himself. Pres. Bush should have fired a previous General earlier & adopt the Kagan/Petraeus surge a few months before. McCain has defended the reputation of un-indicted traitor John Kerry by badmouthing the Swift Boats Commanders.

    McCain hurts our defenses with his so-called “torture” statute, wanting to close Gitmo, etc.

    Perhaps before he became Reagan’s “foot-soldier” his judgment was deeply impaired.

    If our Republican Party wants to win at all costs by following a Sheep in Wolf’s clothing “Leader”, then they also must be sheep or as Lenin said it, “useful idiots”.

    I have never heard McCain express regret or say he was wrong on any of the above issues. He actually keeps insisting he was right.

    If I want a liberal to be my President maybe I should vote for “Evita” Clinton who at least is not a sheep. She is a prostitute of ideas, without a moral compass & will go wherever is needed to win, She will play the race card with Obama & she will incite latent racism within Mexican-Americans. She also will turn right to retain power. McCain turns left when he did not have to do it. This is quite revealing.

    In any event, I will not vote for “Evita” or anyone else but I may sit it out for the first time in my life.

    I cannot support my Party acting stupidly just to win by following a “Sheep” instead of a leader with our shared convictions. I will follow Reagan’s example.

    Since chances are minimal McCain will change any stance because “he knows best” I will not vote for him if nominated.

    Furthermore, I will actively opposed our fake Republican “anointed” nominee as long as I can. BTW Obama is a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing.

  3. Fern R said

    I can’t stand the mentality of “let’s have the other guy win to teach the nation a lesson.” Just how high of a price are these people willing to pay to teach the nation a lesson? We’re could see as many as four Supreme Court nominations in the next four years (Stevens is 83, Ginsburg is 74, and Scalia and Kennedy are 71). Scalia is cranky and stubborn enough to probably hold out if we have a Democrat President, but conservatives could drastically change the nature of the court if we were to replace even one of the remaining three with a Roberts-Alito-esque judge (which is what McCain has pledged to do). This is not to mention the importance of making sure that Scalia is replaced with another conservative justice. Anyone who stays home or votes third party if McCain is the GOP candidate is, quite frankly, an idiot.

  4. Fern R said

    American by Choice–There should be a law banning blog comments as long as yours. Where’s McCain when we need him?

  5. “I can’t stand the mentality of “let’s have the other guy win to teach the nation a lesson.” Just how high of a price are these people willing to pay to teach the nation a lesson?”

    Great question Fern, and the truth is that the “conservatives” who say this don’t give a damn about the War on Terror and the Iraqi liberation. They are more concerned with their ideological purity and less important issues like illegal Mexican immigrants working in their communities. It baffles me to hear from these types of idiots at every conservative forum I go to, but there they are in droves.

    The fight against Islamism is real, and if they think it would be perfectly acceptable to hand that fight over to Obama or Hilary, then they never really believed it was worth fighting for to begin with.

    If Republicans want to wait around for Reagan to walk from the grave and “save the part,” then they can sit out the election and “punish” the American people in the name of their superior intellect.

  6. Ara Rubyan said

    Bob Miller:

    After four years under Hillary or Barack, exactly how many pieces of our country would be left for any ideologically pure conservative to pick up?

    All due respect, that’s a pipe-dream. We in the reality-based community know the real truth: after eight years of Bush-Cheney the country is far worse off than ever. And any Democrat who wins is going to have their work cut out for them. And that doesn’t even begin to count all the belly-aching from Republicans who made the mess and cannot wait for someone else to come in and clean it up — again.

    As Republicans we should choose our leaders democratically and ensure we are choosing real leaders. Blindly following the leader is a leftist notion.

    Leftist notion? You must not read Will Rogers — “I belong to no organized political party: I’m a Democrat.”

    Again, here in the reality based community we know the truth: In American history, Bush-Cheney represents the high-water mark in authoritarian leadership for the 20th century — and probably all time.

    We must elect wise leaders to continue to be the party of ideas.

    A suggestion: how about if you try to become the party of GOOD ideas instead?

    For all of you who want anybody-but-McCain: I’m curious — in your opinion, who’s better? Giuliani? Huckabee? Romney?

    I genuinely would like to hear your opinion. No snark, honest! It’s why I hang out here. I’ll hang up and listen to your answers.

  7. Again, here in the reality based community we know the truth: In American history, Bush-Cheney represents the high-water mark in authoritarian leadership for the 20th century — and probably all time.

    Can I buy some pot from you?

  8. Ara Rubyan said

    Sounds like you’ve had quite enough already, thanks. You really should cut back my friend.

  9. Fern R said

    Ara–I uh…don’t agree with a word you said. But I’m going to be pulling the lever for Romney tomorrow. If it turns out that McCain wins the party’s election, then he’ll have my support in November, but I’d rather not have to vote for him. That being said, he is a million times better than either Obama or Hillary. My number #1 concern is the war on terrorism and #2 is judicial appointments. Both front runner Democrats are horribly wrong on both of those issues, which makes a vote for McCain easier, if it should come to that.

  10. Jack said

    Politics makes a lot of people upset.

  11. Ara said

    Fern:

    If those are your issues, then by all means McCain is your guy. But here’s my question:

    How can you believe anything he says? See, to me (and I voted for him once) he seems like he’s just going through the motions, saying whatever he has to say to get the nomination. His heart doesn’t seem to be in it. He seems stiff and formulated, reciting the same stale lawyer jokes from the 80s. He’s so…Imus.

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  13. Hank Barnes said

    Let me understand Conservative logic:

    1.On the ACU scale, McCain is a 65 and Hillary is a 9.
    2.So, clearly McCain is more conservative than Hillary.
    3. But, McCain is not nearly as conservative as we would like or some hypothetical GOP candidate who is not running.
    4. Therefore, we will not vote for him.
    5. Therefore, by not voting, we will tacitly support Hillary — who on the ACU scale is, again, a 9 on the conservative scale, ranking probably around Ted Kennedy.

    Methinks, the boys on the right have gone temporarily insane with this argument.

    HankB

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